29.9.07

Oprah, Dr. Phil divorce & marriage

In one of my previous posts I wrote about my generation and, as promised, I’ll try and tackle marriage.Marriage has a great bearing on the Joy in living, and this subject is a natural follow-up to what I have written before.

Some time ago Oprah Winfrey brought forth the ‘divorce epidemic’ that engulfs USA and the need to do something about it; and Dr. Phil in his show, is trying to solve problems of dysfunctional families; many of which leave me aghast.

These shows brought those problems closer to me, and since then, they do not leave me.

I thought I should contribute something from my experience in the form of writing, but didn’t know what approach to take; how to deal with this very sensitive subject, which is prevalent not only in the USA, but all over the western world to a smaller or greater extent.

Being married for 54 years with a husband that still woos me, I have little to say about divorce. What I can do though is look for, and impart, that which I think made our marriage work:

My husband and I did not have a trial period before marriage, we were never engaged, and got married 4 months after we started going together.

Now at the age of 76, I have long pasted my ‘being beautiful’ days. I’ve gained some 15 kilos I can do without, I do not use makeup nor go to a hairdresser and I am no dresser; and he still woos me. Why?

Why do we still love each other as well as like each other?

Why are our friends still married adoring each other?

What are the fundamentals that keep us together?

Or, what are the roots that broke others?

Many studies have been done; statistics analyzed, and clever people, with a string of degrees next to their names, and not necessarily with experience, have, and are, giving their opinions and advise. So who am I, and what gives me the right to voice mine?

I have been mulling it over and over again, till I came to the conclusion that my years of experience give me that right. So here I am, taking the plunge:

At the age of 22, when we made our decision to marry, my husband said,

‘If you want this to work, we need to put everything on the table. We need to discuss whatever may bug us, and sort it out before it festers.’

I never thought about it, but I was prepared to give it a go. So we did it, and our children do it as well, and it seems to work. But why should one do that? Why is it so important?

It is important because we are all different. We come from different homes, different upbringings, environments and understandings. And even when these are similar, they are still different. Therefore, we need iron out the differences or misinterpretation that arise naturally when a couple is building a new family unit. We need to fine-tune the marriage right from the start.

This, I think, is easily achieved when a couple is not only in love with one another, but also like each other, and has, shows and exercises respect to each other; for love is one thing, like – another, and respect – the fundamental of both. Without respect, nothing works.

However, this is only the basis, the foundation on which a marriage should be build.

Now comes the question: why do people want to get married?

Let assume they have all the above, but do they really want to live together? Do they have what it takes? Do they have some common interests, or are they willing to learn and adopt each other’s interests?

Are they prepared to work together for the good of their new unit, or do they have the,

‘I married you, so make me happy’ syndrome?

In one word – are they friends? Without friendship or the readiness to develop one, a marriage is doomed.

My husband and I have different interests, but we got interested, right from the start, in what the other is immersed in, likes or does. This, when all is said and done, enriched, and enriches not only the marriage, but also each of us as individuals.

We also strove to work together, and did so successfully for many years. This in itself brought us closer together, and did not let us drift apart. However, to achieve this, we needed to clearly divide the responsibilities, and put definite demarcation line none of us dared cross.

And then there are the questions of money, of children of household and work, and others. These I will try and tackle in one of my next posts.

Renate Artist, poet & the Author of

From the Promised Land to the Lucky Country

‘From the Promised Land to The Lucky Country’ – Renate’s book a true life story and poetry

6 comments:

jmb said...

I don't know why some people are still married after so many years and some are divorced. I am still married after 46 years and most of my friends are in a similar situation, although not all. Some are in second marriages of long standing after divorcing the original ones.

I don't know if it is choosing wisely, although probably unconsciously for surely we all chose our spouses for love.

I think friendship is good between spouses although I don't think common interests are necessary. But you do need to enjoying things together and enjoying each other's company.
I think freedom to do what each wants to do with the support of the other is necessary.

But you know, I don't think there is a set of rules to follow which will ensure a long lived marriage. It's still a mystery to me after all these years.
regards
jmb

Anonymous said...

Hi jmb,
Pleased you dropped in and left a comment. I agree with you that there are no set rules to follow. However, it is good for people to read what worked for others. It may give them the opportunity to look for answers where they never thought of looking. It may help others to look at things in a different way, perhaps, who knows? I only know that if we, as a society, will not contribute, in one way or another, to help solve this problem, that influences and even harms future generations, we are all doomed.

I do agree with you as well on the point of space. Yes. We all need our space (especially aussies), and I was going to touch on this in the continuation of this subject.

All in all, the subject is very broad and what I have written now is not even the top of the iceberg so to speak. I hope that this and other posts will bring more comments and maybe even a larger discussion on this very important subject.
Renate

-eve- said...

This post makes me hold my breath... was checking again all the essentials, like friendship, and wondering whether i have them (and which suitor I have them with, and what if I have that with both!). For you and your husband to have been together, living happily ... that's really a blessing from God ... I guess He's the one who keeps ppl together :-)

renate@gmail.com said...

Hi Eve,
Thank you for your comment.

Marriage has a lot of facets, and it is not something you can just go into and let it roll. It needs the want to make it work.

In my next post on this subject I will touch upon those I left behind. I do hope you'll find them interesting as well.

Again, Thank you for visiting and for your comment.
I love comments. They make me want to write more and get better at it
Renate

Unknown said...

I would like to add some comments as someone who has been married for 22 years and have finally came to the point where I want to end the marriage, I agree with comments made however it takes commitment and ability on both sides. I know I have made many mistakes over the years I am just sick of trying. It has not been 21 years of bliss 1 year of hell. From the engagement we saw things differently and consequently argued and proved our point or let it go and there are many other bad habits we had from the beginning and developed over the years. For the last 10 years or more we have been off and on seeing marriage counsellors and it has all become way too painful. The emotional bank accounts are overdrawn in the millions and I cannot see a way out of this mess. It is not as if I can reminise on the days when it was so good. Well I can think of a few days here and there. Over the last few years it seems that the very special memories I have my wife remembers them as bad experiences.

Anyway I feel at this point in my life, sometimes we do get ourselves into a marriage that is just too painful and it needs to end.

Sorry to put a low tone in however I feel if my wife was able to put things on the table say what she means and then follow through with what she agreed that would of been a big help. And she can tell you what I did wrong.

I know my wife has tried and I have tried but we just keep hurting each other.

Time will tell where I end up.

Anonymous said...

Hi Joseph,
The reason I stated writing about marriage was because I was horrified and discussed by what I watched on Dr. Phil and heard on Oprah. I could not believe that marriages like those even exist. I thought to contribute my experience and tell people how we got about having a very successful and long loving marriage. I wanted to help other couple to take from what I have written, that which may help them.
I am deeply sorry to learn about your experience being what it is. It seems to me that from the start, you did not have the right motives to get married and that the foundation you built your marriage upon, were shaky to begin with.
As with any contract or agreement, if the partnership does not work and the possibilities of mending the rift are not there, an annulment may be the answer. I am not a marriage consultant and I am not here to give advice. I can only say what I think and how I feel. I do think that if the situation is un-mendable, why continue?
Again, It breaks my heart when people live in a partnership that is doomed. I am so sorry it happened to you
Renate


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